This is in response to the situation of Asia Argento having sex with a 17 year old when she was 37. This post is 100% MY OPINION and has offensive language. Keep in mind my opinions are scientifically and philosophically informed. My diatribe.
So for those who do not want to read the whole thing my points are these. I agree men and women conceptualize sex differently, mainly due to socialization processes. Men think of it as sex, women do tend to have more emotional investment. Hence it is manipulation more often if an older man has sex with a minor female. Whereas not the case the other way around. One of the powerful points I make is why can a minor be tried as an adult for something so egregious as murder, yet not considered an adult for sex? Someone tell me please.
Okay people you can’t have your fucking cake and eat it too!!!!!!! People say women are more emotional about sex and men can do it without emotion. This is a general sentiment shared by most people I know. Jokes are made about it all the time, movies, tv shows, our lives are based on it why, because it’s true in most cases. To be fair I admit and for a longer discussion is a socialization process much like the biological clock issue discussed in a previous post. Men are given a free pass while women are not. I think it is in fact accurate that women are socialized to view sex as more emotional than men. So when a man is psychologically manipulating an underage female I do think there is something inherently wrong taking place, however not all the time. Most women I have talked to know they could have sex with high school age “boys.” When Asia Argento had sex with a 17 year old I say who cares. People in general say men can have emotionless sex. Well, here we go, there is a difference according to peoples logic between a male of 17 and a female of 17 having sex. Therefore, logically a male can do it, simply because they find the woman HOT. Women according to most people need to have some emotional connection. You can call it objectification or guess what you can also call it idolizing the female figure. Most for social and political reasons want to call it objectifying which is a negative view of it. Women wear low cut shirts on purpose to draw attention to their breasts. Sure women may not want to yell it from the mountain tops, but countless women I have known admit privately show cleavage on purpose for exactly that reason… Attention. Otherwise, why wouldn’t you wear shirts that cover your cleavage all the time? They are more comfortable many times women tell me. I do believe women flaunt their bodies in a sexual manner on purpose, otherwise why don’t all women wear business suits like men? Why don’t women go out to the clubs with T-shirts on like men? I will fully admit men do this too. Muscle shirts are not the most comfortable either. Both sexes do this. You can place me next to Channing Tatum both in suits and guess what you can’t tell he has superior biceps, abs, pecs, lats, traps etc. Until you put us in tight fitting clothing that accentuates these features in each of us. Then it’s obvious I am hotter.
I digress anyways back to the underage issue. If you believe men can have sex completely independent of emotion which most people I know adhere to then that is the end of the discussion. It is simply different for a 15 year old male to have sex with a 25 or 30 year old female than the other way around. Again I think it is due to socialization. If you believe it is biological it is your responsibility to provide that evidence otherwise shut the hell up. You can’t have it both ways, saying that underage men can have sex without emotion and then suggest they are being manipulated like their female counterpart. It is then different for an underage “boy” to have sex with a woman in their 20’s or 30’s than an underage “girl.” Now in this situation it was WRONG for her to get him intoxicated (won’t touch that ethical/legal issue). Just like it would have been wrong for her to do that to another 37 year old man. It’s simply wrong to use a drug to get sex out of someone I guess. Yet think of this, people have drinks on purpose to get in the mood for sex. The point I am making is that many 15/16/17 year old “boys” want to have sex with women in their 20’s and 30’s!! Fact. Watch the SNL sketch of Pete Davidson, talking about having sex with his teacher. It is hilarious… As he talks about how he was considered a stud for doing it! Had no trauma from it at all. You laugh at the sketch because deep down we all know this to be true. I remember in high school at 16 when we heard a rumor that one of the “HOT” teachers had had sex with one of the guys on the football team. I remember us guys all talking talking about it and how we all wanted to have sex with her. I completely admit there was zero talk of a relationship with her, her personality, her beliefs, potential for kids as a family unit or anything remotely connected to an emotional attachment with her. Instead it was talk about her tits and ass, and what we would do given the opportunity. I mean this was ubiquitous in the school amongst all the guys that I knew and had had sex already, yet were “underage.” I would be willing to bet my life that if you took a survey of “boys” 17 and younger the vast majority will admit to wanting to have sex with some woman in their lives who is well over 20 and probably many over 30. Think porn people… I win on that point alone.
Now let us look cross culturally. A girlfriend I had is a German citizen. Her first boyfriend when she was 16 was a 36 year old man! This was completely acceptable in their society. Her mom and dad knew, hell he was even invited to dinner by the mom who was just a couple years older so actually in her dating range too! Was my ex traumatized, felt used, tricked, abused, manipulated years later HELL NO. She actually marveled even laughed at me that I found it shocking. It was not a big deal. I remember going out to the club when we were dating and a 30 some year old guy was hitting on her 16 year old sister, again who cares. Why the hell is America so stuck up on sex. It’s ridiculous and I’m tired of it. To that in a moment. An interesting point I’d like to make as well is that I have known more than one female in my life who in their late 20’s have indicated to me very privately under sworn secrecy that they would have sex with guys in high school if it was not illegal.
Now if you say at that age they cannot make a decision like this for themselves well this falls under the philosophical logical fallacy of “special pleading.” Basically making one situation exempt from rules that you normally apply. That being said, why are we allowing CHILDREN to choose the sport they say they want? After all, us guys at 16 said we all wanted to have sex with the hot teacher but that is not okay. Why were we allowed to choose between Baseball vs. basketball vs. football? Why are teens allowed to make that choice and not the choice to have fucking sex? Especially when we are talking about guys who simply are looking at the tits and ass of a teacher? Why? On a related note to this if sex is such a big fucking deal realize this the average age for both “boys” and “girls” to have sex is under 18!!!! If they are unable to make decisions for themselves shouldn’t this be illegal as well!!!! Furthermore, if it is discovered that two underage children are having sex, then arguably the parents should be in legal trouble for “allowing” it to happen or not preventing it. Oh but it’s okay because they are both underage come on! As far as it being manipulation, think of how many guys in high school manipulate girls to have sex with them. We have all seen that happen. Again another instance of special pleading saying well both of them are underage. It should be considered illegal behavior, both children arguably should face legal action.
The reality is people hold sex near and dear to their hearts, thinking it is or more importantly think it SHOULD be some transcendental emotional/spiritual/personal/religious/loving experience. You are saying that sex is different hence philosophically the fallacy of special pleading. It’s different why, because I think it should be… bullshit. Special pleading, google the term.
Men and women, boys and girls very well may and do think and conceptualize sex differently. However, just because some “boy” does have sex with a woman way older than him does not mean he is traumatized or was unable to consent or make the decision to do it. Yet guess what there are “girls” who want to as well, and I remember them who wanted to have sex with male teachers as well not caring about an emotional connection.
As for this “victim” is it mere coincidence that he is bringing it up in the light of the fact he knows he could get more money out of the situation. He maybe even be able to catapult his career because of it and who knows whatever other benefits, a book deal whatever. I highly doubt that he was “traumatized,” unless of course he is gay. In fact deep down I’d bet money he was not traumatized. If anything they guy has probably masturbated over it for years.
At the end of the day I think these situations should be taken on a case by case basis. That meaning, if someone has sex with someone underage it should not automatically be considered illegal. There should be extensive psychological assessments of the underage age person to determine if they were manipulated ect. This next point possibly the most important in this whole diatribe. There are situations where underage minors are considered adults in cases of murder. Why in the case of murder they can be tried as an adult yet NOT considered to be an adult when it comes to sex? Again special pleading! For anyone who knows me personally my number one irritation in life is when people are logically inconsistent. There will be 15 year old “boys” who simply wanted the sex period end of statement. No emotional connection and no manipulation at all. They were happy to engage in it. Hell there have been numerous examples of this actually occuring where the “boy” involved did it again and again not complaining, and actually pursuing it again. The logic of this is inconsistent at best and making something illegal based on bias and the special pleading fallacy.
For the record I can but do not claim being part of the “me too narrative” (hate the fucking term narrative) since two different managers have had sex with me!!! Remember it does not have to be physically against a person’s will but with implied power struggles blah blah blah technically I am a victim.
Please note this was published last night at 9:20 pm on 9-4-18. I then find that this am on 9-5-18, the “victim” had a selfie taken with her. Hmmmm is he really a victim?